What This Game/Server Has Become

The private server of Gunz we've known and loved was called Freestyle Gunz, however, with the changes over the past ~year, it seems like the development of this game is going more towards how the old Gunz was instead of evolving to something better. Something to prove my point is the removal of the most popular room tags that made the server unique (not only [R] and [IA], but also gravity, jump, speed modifiers and ninja mode, etc).

I don't disagree that the development team has made efforts towards making the game more unique, but they added things without our consent and judgement which was a huge turn off right off the bat for alot of people (gem and weapon upgrading system) which was removed after getting so much hate.

The things I personally enjoyed doing on FGunz (maybe not all of you, you can state what you used to enjoy about gunz below) was having fun playing the way I liked, if it was by playing events (which are still done today so no complaints, except for the low population that plays it nowadays), playing gladiator in stairway or literally just having some fun with [G50] playing in different maps and doing some medstyle in stairway. I enjoyed talking to the fellow forum users on the chatbox or those who made troll threads, but the chatbox is mostly dead nowadays. A lot of people actually enjoyed, say, spamming weapons in TDM's for that matter, something that cant be done anymore without the tags that made it a unique experience.

Obviously not all of you will agree, but what have you got to say about where FGunz went the past 1-2 years?

First of ALL Thanks for making this Thread , I also was about to make Like this POST
The Things i was Expecting Was Some new Weapons ( Normal / Donar ) , Some more Awesome Mode in GAME ,
I am missing OLD GOLD Day of V7 it used to Rush for entering into EVENT , Like When Staff used to Announce The Pass the Room used to be Full ( but now Hardly 12 - 20 players play )
INFECTED AND CTF was the Most Awesome Thing every one used to play For INFECTED Room used to be Full Every one used to love it and for CTF the Player used to Rush Because of Weekly Competition ( not it is DEAD )
omg TDM was Active because OF [R][IA]
Please Guys Bring Back The TAGS :( ( there were many Thread About The Tags Issue )
NOW i can see is GOOD BYE threads ( i also was about to go but some friends told me to stay )

One of the reasons I stopped playing is because I felt like the game got boring.

I personally agree with your opinion, but who knows? Maybe either Mc or Dave will change their mind and bring what made this game so well-played and popular. Tbh, It became boring when they launched a new version which yeah added some "new" stuff to enjoy with except alot of players didn't liked it, and with those stuff added they removed those mods which players enjoyed. Now alot of players think that v8 sucks and instantly made the playercount-half than v7 has, since they knew that this server made a new version maybe they think it will be permanent as it is, that's why they're not interested to play, imo, I do think they have a page on Facebook and it ain't that productive to keep FGunZ players updated and so other players too. Who knows? Maybe *someday* this server will gain even more than it's recent state.

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Originally Posted by Bunny

I don't disagree that the development team has made efforts towards making the game more unique, but they added things without our consent and judgement which was a huge turn off right off the bat for alot of people (gem and weapon upgrading system) which was removed after getting so much hate.

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This could've been prevented if they offered a V8 beta/test server to all players (not just VIPs) and gave us sufficient time to experience all features and post feedback before the actual release. Proper discussions with the whole community would've certainly been useful. They eventually got rid of gems and weapon upgrades—two significant features which probably took a lot of time to develop. A wasted effort there, isn't it?

Items were all priced 0 bounty and then suddenly became way too expensive to afford (90-100K for a high level dagger?), and the low bounty rates made it worse. Now, gems are gone and the prices of most items are so insignificant, that bounty is practically useless again (except for Avatars). Back to square one.

Range-based damage on weapons and 6 second reload times on machine guns. A new hitbox system where PBs aren't as effective and still tend to surprise (and annoy) us most of the time. Again, all the grief would've been prevented if this was discussed in advance or if more players were allowed to try it and to see if they could get used to it.

...And the list goes on. I don't mean to rant here, and I'm certainly not in a position to assert this—but in my opinion, a lot of unnecessary actions could've been prevented to keep players happy. This is especially important with such a low player count now. I know quite a few people who have already stopped playing on FG.

While I appreciate that the people in charge have actually listened to us and rolled back a few features and made improvements to others, the lack of discussion is demotivating. I posted topics suggesting some changes to the CTF mode and another one about improving certain aspects of Quests, but they were simply locked with no response. CTF is completely dead, but was extremely popular prior to the update. Something needs to be done.
A simple discussion, or at least something along the lines of "we will consider this", or even "no, because [reason]" would help. Otherwise, it just deters players from posting more suggestions (mostly minor ones, that require no coding or major work) to improve the gameplay experience.

I get that this community has been around for a long time, this game is old, and there's no incentive for the leaders to invest their time into this anymore, but minor things can make a big difference ingame. Or at the very least, things should be left the way they are if players are happy (v7 is a good example). We really don't need any new major features as we still play this game for what it always has been. I just hope there are no more sudden changes in the future. Deal with the hacks and we'll be happy!

Okay, too much? I'll stop!

Merry Christmas!

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That is a good point, I would've given tons of feedback on V8, but I wasn't VIP, so I couldn't play test it, In my opinion the bounty, range/damage, gems and upgrading systems should have never been added to V8, to change the game so tremendously and take such a huge risk without discussing it with (competent members) of the community first was a bad idea. Currently I personally love V8, they have reverted all of the changes I didn't agree with back to their original state. I like McSic and Dave and I think they are very intelligent, skilled and competent owners, but they obviously need an inner-circle of play testers that they can consult with before any update, as they (McSic&Dave) see the game from a different perspective and point of view than someone who actually plays it frequently.

So the current problem is tags, especially [R]
Fact number 1: Many people do not like the [R] tag
Fact number 2: Many people like the [R] tag
So how can we fix this?
First, we must find a middle ground with opinions from the two opposite sides.
Fact number 1's opinion:
"I don't like the tag because I just want to play gunz, and gunz isn't a shooting simulator with an infinite amount of bullets and chances to get a kill."
Fact number 2's opinion:
"I just want to have fun and chill, I don't care if the tag some-what breaks the game, because I'm not bothered by it."
Middle ground solution: make a balanced version of the [R] tag and only allow it on specific game modes that number 2's play, for example: Infection, CTF, Deathmatch and training rooms.

Balanced [R] tag suggestions (my opinion, but there are probably better suggestions):
You get an X amount of bullets for each kill. (SG: 1 kill = 2 bullets gained on the weapon you killed with)
Your bullet count gets completely refilled when you kill someone. (with the weapon you killed with)
You get random ammo drops near you, not just when you kill somebody.
X% ammo gain after you do a fair amount of damage to somebody.

Whether the removal of those tags mattered or not short term, long term it wouldn't have mattered.
GunZ: The Duel, as it started was a simple game. People didn't know how to Latedash, halfstep, insta, triple butterfly and what have u.
Nowadays, however, people do know how to do that, and it has been like that for years. The skillgap of GunZ for new players is simply too much.
and the few that do stay and try to learn are just not enough.

besides the skill gap being an issue, people got older. When I found out about GunZ I was around 10~ years old.
I am 22 now, I either don't have the time to play a lot or I just have better things to do, so do loads of other players who used to play non-stop.
Without the attraction for new players to come join an established 15(?) year old game, the game will die, it's inevitable. Nothing the owners/developers can do to stop that.
Most of us just got too old.

Honestly, the only way I see a GunZ revival is if someone remade the game with all it's unique playstyles with a new engine.
I know some people have been working on that on the low, though, that won't attract a lot of people eitherway cause they're just a small group of unknown developers.

I'd say if you're a player who still thoroughly enjoys this game for what it is, enjoy the time on it that you have left cause eventually you'll just find yourself questing on your own. sadly enough.

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Originally Posted by Again

Whether the removal of those tags mattered or not short term, long term it wouldn't have mattered.
GunZ: The Duel, as it started was a simple game. People didn't know how to Latedash, halfstep, insta, triple butterfly and what have u.
Nowadays, however, people do know how to do that, and it has been like that for years. The skillgap of GunZ for new players is simply too much.
and the few that do stay and try to learn are just not enough.

besides the skill gap being an issue, people got older. When I found out about GunZ I was around 10~ years old.
I am 22 now, I either don't have the time to play a lot or I just have better things to do, so do loads of other players who used to play non-stop.
Without the attraction for new players to come join an established 15(?) year old game, the game will die, it's inevitable. Nothing the owners/developers can do to stop that.
Most of us just got too old.

Honestly, the only way I see a GunZ revival is if someone remade the game with all it's unique playstyles with a new engine.
I know some people have been working on that on the low, though, that won't attract a lot of people eitherway cause they're just a small group of unknown developers.

I'd say if you're a player who still thoroughly enjoys this game for what it is, enjoy the time on it that you have left cause eventually you'll just find yourself questing on your own. sadly enough.

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Welp, too sad.

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Originally Posted by Again

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Yeah obviously the game is no longer getting advertised and what not so it's death is inevitable, however many of the things changed recently have made 'efforts' to reduce playerbase-- the game we used to thoroughly enjoy changed and it made quite a few people to leave before real life issues came into play.

If you want a high player count you want to attract players who actually playing the game (tdm, cws) and not the 10% of players who quest/play events (its a higher % here since balance is shit). balance is so shit here that people just go play the other server which is less pay2win and way more balanced.

So yea dont concentrate on events/quest and these dumbass [r] [ia] mods since they are only attract around 10% of the player base (again higher % in this server since balance is shit). focus on balance and maybe ull get more players

People saying that its cause gunz is dying but the other big server has been increasing in players ever since it's re-release a couple years ago.

the legendary bible only gets on to cw......or so the legends say

The V7 player base was continuing to decline on its own as well, not growing. V8 population continued to decrease. So it would have been in a similar state regardless. Correlation does not imply causation.

No one only plays one game their entire life. If that were the case new games wouldn't continue being developed.

funny to read all these essay'S like it's gonna change anything. loler

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Originally Posted by S1lent

The V7 player base was continuing to decline on its own as well, not growing. V8 population continued to decrease. So it would have been in a similar state regardless. Correlation does not imply causation.

No one only plays one game their entire life. If that were the case new games wouldn't continue being developed.

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Well, some people would rather play until the game dies playing it they way they like, not be forced to leave by unwanted changes

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Originally Posted by Jaay

funny to read all these essay'S like it's gonna change anything. loler

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That is a bad mindset to have, but I get where you're coming from, I remember the shit show that went down at dg, the owner was completely incompetent with no time to focus on improving the server, nor getting new players to join, making horrible interface and game-play affecting decisions. But fgunz' owners are different, and they have been proven to consistently listen to suggestions updating the new version ever since it came out, they have also been proven to be ethical and fair refunding donation items that were heavily changed for v8. (Even if they do not possess those ethics, they are still smart because no refunds = mass outrage and mass outrage = people quitting).

U turn FG into 09 QG sht, youll get all the players ┼┼┼┼┼┼┼

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Originally Posted by Amers

That is a bad mindset to have, but I get where you're coming from, I remember the shit show that went down at dg, the owner was completely incompetent with no time to focus on improving the server, nor getting new players to join, making horrible interface and game-play affecting decisions. But fgunz' owners are different, and they have been proven to consistently listen to suggestions updating the new version ever since it came out, they have also been proven to be ethical and fair refunding donation items that were heavily changed for v8. (Even if they do not possess those ethics, they are still smart because no refunds = mass outrage and mass outrage = people quitting).

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Not really coming from this tbh. Nick had have his server run for so long if anything it was like the first private gunz server i played myself so clearly it was gonna die as other servers were peaking (that's when FG peaked 300's if I recall well lol)
And not removing anything to Dave/Sic,both are clearly two dedicated owners but as you can see thru Staff Team list rn they are lacking developers and IMO lackin new donors since all the 'new' ones were seen on v7.8 or wtv u wanna call it lo. Still looking forward to new donator full sets ma'am

and hanz you might be right but on the other side there's a server out here *cough* that is really Pay 2 Win and is peaking lots.

*cough* softness tho *cough*

I'd say pay for more advertising on Brazilian mmorpg/gaming sites. We'll have 150+ players by tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Jaay

Not really coming from this tbh. Nick had have his server run for so long if anything it was like the first private gunz server i played myself so clearly it was gonna die as other servers were peaking (that's when FG peaked 300's if I recall well lol)
And not removing anything to Dave/Sic,both are clearly two dedicated owners but as you can see thru Staff Team list rn they are lacking developers and IMO lackin new donors since all the 'new' ones were seen on v7.8 or wtv u wanna call it lo. Still looking forward to new donator full sets ma'am

and hanz you might be right but on the other side there's a server out here *cough* that is really Pay 2 Win and is peaking lots.

*cough* softness tho *cough*

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gunzing with a pay2win mind set is why i dont enjoy the game. it's a pass time+way for me to edit. I just collect frags and use them thats all. But with them updating over and over it makes my frag collection all go to waste. So idk.... its a lose, lose situation. And i think I know what server you're referring to i just dont understand why you need to spend 100 dollars on a game that's been out since 06 just to be able to survive longer in clan war......

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Originally Posted by Moh

I'd say pay for more advertising on Brazilian mmorpg/gaming sites. We'll have 150+ players by tomorrow.

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Advertising is something that gets ignored on fg for sure, if done right, it could gain a ton of players. (Spamming fgunz.net under videos should be discouraged, but smart advertising should be encouraged).

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Originally Posted by Again

Whether the removal of those tags mattered or not short term, long term it wouldn't have mattered.
GunZ: The Duel, as it started was a simple game. People didn't know how to Latedash, halfstep, insta, triple butterfly and what have u.
Nowadays, however, people do know how to do that, and it has been like that for years. The skillgap of GunZ for new players is simply too much.
and the few that do stay and try to learn are just not enough.

besides the skill gap being an issue, people got older. When I found out about GunZ I was around 10~ years old.
I am 22 now, I either don't have the time to play a lot or I just have better things to do, so do loads of other players who used to play non-stop.
Without the attraction for new players to come join an established 15(?) year old game, the game will die, it's inevitable. Nothing the owners/developers can do to stop that.
Most of us just got too old.

Honestly, the only way I see a GunZ revival is if someone remade the game with all it's unique playstyles with a new engine.
I know some people have been working on that on the low, though, that won't attract a lot of people eitherway cause they're just a small group of unknown developers.

I'd say if you're a player who still thoroughly enjoys this game for what it is, enjoy the time on it that you have left cause eventually you'll just find yourself questing on your own. sadly enough.

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This already happened with GunZ 2: The Second Duel LUL :o.o This game is just a dying game. Simple as that. The game has surprisingly lasted for 10 years+ so..

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Originally Posted by Avenge

gunzing with a pay2win mind set is why i dont enjoy the game. it's a pass time+way for me to edit. I just collect frags and use them thats all. But with them updating over and over it makes my frag collection all go to waste. So idk.... its a lose, lose situation. And i think I know what server you're referring to i just dont understand why you need to spend 100 dollars on a game that's been out since 06 just to be able to survive longer in clan war......

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ye idk these brs gotta all be pretty rich to be able to spend 25$ on only one gun loler.

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Originally Posted by Jaay

ye idk these brs gotta all be pretty rich to be able to spend 25$ on only one gun loler.

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Precisely.

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Originally Posted by Lemon

This already happened with GunZ 2: The Second Duel

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no, that's just trash

I still stick by that if the system was used properly with more equal stats and lower numbers without donation gems.

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Originally Posted by Lemon

This already happened with GunZ 2: The Second Duel LUL :o.o This game is just a dying game. Simple as that. The game has surprisingly lasted for 10 years+ so..

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GunZ 2 is the living proof that what saved this game was actually the K-Style bug. Looking at GunZ 2, not many people still play it despite the big hype behind it before its release. I tried it and hated it. There was nothing really that could save the franchise (or GunZ 2, if you may).

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Originally Posted by Amy

GunZ 2 is the living proof that what saved this game was actually the K-Style bug. Looking at GunZ 2, not many people still play it despite the big hype behind it before its release. I tried it and hated it. There was nothing really that could save the franchise (or GunZ 2, if you may).

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Actually the problem was the connection issue on PVP, main reason no one played cause you had 300+ ping on a good server.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Actually the problem was the connection issue on PVP, main reason no one played cause you had 300+ ping on a good server.

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On the other hand,

Didn't play it but just with the trailers I could tell it sucked. I kinda see where Amy is tryna go.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

Actually the problem was the connection issue on PVP, main reason no one played cause you had 300+ ping on a good server.

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That, apart from them having anti-lead too. That means a 500 ping-er could sword you from across the map and kill you.

Bring back my jail outfit !!! ><.. that's All I got to say here

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That, apart from them having anti-lead too. That means a 500 ping-er could sword you from across the map and kill you.

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Yup but the quest side of GunZ 2 was super nice.

why the update didnt work? because yet again the dev team didnt listen to the suggestions and did something totally not asked for all fg needed from v7 to v8 or infinity was same as v7 but just

- removal of room tags [r] [ia]

no matter how much you deny it these tags alone is why most people prefer the certain other server

- better anti-lead (fix, update, enhance.. however you want to put it.)

- clanwar map voting selection

- possibly new gfx for load screen, ingame etc

- new sets

- smoother client

thats pretty much it

instead the effort put into making gems pushed these others aside..
as many people above have said gunz is a dying game which is inevitable.. o well just enjoy whats left

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Originally Posted by ChloeOnFire

why the update didnt work? because yet again the dev team didnt listen to the suggestions and did something totally not asked for all fg needed from v7 to v8 or infinity was same as v7 but just

- removal of room tags [r] [ia]

no matter how much you deny it these tags alone is why most people prefer the certain other server

- better anti-lead (fix, update, enhance.. however you want to put it.)

- clanwar map voting selection

- possibly new gfx for load screen, ingame etc

- new sets

- smoother client

thats pretty much it

instead the effort put into making gems pushed these others aside..
as many people above have said gunz is a dying game which is inevitable.. o well just enjoy whats left

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V8 should've just been an improved version of V7 with a new interface, removal of r and ia etc, instead they focused all their efforts onto bad ideas that sounded good. Tbh I prefer fg over that "other" server, but 1 hit nades, stun grenades (they can be fun, but I like classical gunz without the new bullshit, that's just me) etc really tilt me to close fg and hop on there more often. (that's just me tilting and being emotional, I would never go on that br server tho)

There are still some games that run on the same engine since their release. If you look at WoW, it's still got a completely garbage engine but still has a good player base. The engine isnt what will make the game become revived.

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Originally Posted by ChloeOnFire

why the update didnt work? because yet again the dev team didnt listen to the suggestions and did something totally not asked for all fg needed from v7 to v8 or infinity was same as v7 but just

- removal of room tags [r] [ia]

no matter how much you deny it these tags alone is why most people prefer the certain other server

- better anti-lead (fix, update, enhance.. however you want to put it.)

- clanwar map voting selection

- possibly new gfx for load screen, ingame etc

- new sets

- smoother client

thats pretty much it

instead the effort put into making gems pushed these others aside..
as many people above have said gunz is a dying game which is inevitable.. o well just enjoy whats left

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Keep in mind that the admins have the last say, enough of my items n quest stuff was never added. ;)

remember when gunz had a high player base? ijji, some private servers?

i think that is because it was simple and basic. low exp rate, few items to choose from.

you could donate in ijji to become more ''stronger'' but actually the clothes were nice to see and good looking (for that time in gunz)
now if we donate we got a donator set which is basic a simple set with high stat's . nothing special. ye the donator items in ijji made us better but actually most people donated which set they liked the most and wich items they liked the most.
nowadays we donate to good sg's just to have the best stuff.

gunz was fun because it was simple and basic and you could donate for better more good looking items, as it should be. (look other game's it's the same way.)

so actually with all those private servers, and many times owners being very greedy to earning made gunz it's downfall.

now when actually dave and McSic want to make gunz a bit like the old days again we complain?. those Room tags made every , but almost every good normal player tilt. quit Fgunz because gunz wasn't a learning curve anymore. gunz actually became (yes also FGunz) a pay to be good game. revolvers almost one hitted you. spray was/is rly rly strong. it aint fun anymore.


i once in a time come back to see gunz dying more and more .
my oppinion is that gunz must go back to basic days to survive. and McSic and Dave made a rly good step towards that.

we don't need to evolve it was Always about staying the same..



-sorry for my english , isn't that good.

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Originally Posted by S1lent

The V7 player base was continuing to decline on its own as well, not growing. V8 population continued to decrease. So it would have been in a similar state regardless. Correlation does not imply causation.

No one only plays one game their entire life. If that were the case new games wouldn't continue being developed.

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Even though I agree that the V7 player base was declining that was because some bugs or the antilead took years or even months to fix. A lot of people were complaining for 8 months about luck of DMG and all we were hearing was V8 is gonna fix this. Well V8 took way too long.

Main reason this server is almost dead is that they added some changes that were completely wrong. From Gems to the new Hitbox (that you worked on) were a big no-no. DMG drop-off was completely shit. V7 was a great patch and all it needed was a new Anti-lead and probably more cosmetics to work. Where's the new VIP items? New donor Items? New Event Items?

I find it really funny that some people complain about TAGS such as [R] and then say Gems dont belong in Gunz. Guess what, [R] doesn't belong in GunZ either. Then you go about and say "oh they left to another server because of [R]. Name one server that has that type of TAG.

V8 was over done imo. I told the Admins to give us an extended BETA period so we can try it and name the problems. I even said that V8 is FG last chance.

I used to love FG but I can't even have fun playing it anymore. It's such a shame. If only this server had V7 with a new Anti-Lead and no Gems.

P.S : The fact that in the start of V8, we had to quest to get Gems says it all.

https://youtu.be/qFLA4IDN8TU

yeah, they're making it even worse when they let randoms like "BerS" go streaming....

stream's quality is......., content is even worse, omg look i shoot a glitched quest boss!

that's not what streams should look like.

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Originally Posted by León

yeah, they're making it even worse when they let randoms like "BerS" go streaming....

stream's quality is......., content is even worse, omg look i shoot a glitched quest boss!

that's not what streams should look like.

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I disagree, as long as it is about the game they should be allowed to stream.
Just because you have a different look at it does not mean it is wrong, maybe boring but not wrong.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

I disagree, as long as it is about the game they should be allowed to stream.
Just because you have a different look at it does not mean it is wrong, maybe boring but not wrong.

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Its not wrong, but its not the kind of stream people who do not know the game should see.
theyll be under the impression that this game is all about glitching bosses in a corner and shooting them till they die, and repeat.
they need to stream the thing that this game is unique for, questing like that is accessible in like every other mmo out there.

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Originally Posted by StephanM

I disagree, as long as it is about the game they should be allowed to stream.
Just because you have a different look at it does not mean it is wrong, maybe boring but not wrong.

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When you "pay" someone to stream like FG does by giving them prizes, you do it so the so called "streamers" will promote your server. When you pay questers and Garden 32 player newgens that use mines and rocket launchers none from the competitive side is gonna join ur server and your server going to die because eventually these newgens are gonna realise how shit they are in this game and quit.

Right now these streamers only harm FG with their great gameplay. Tell me how sitting in a corner hitting a boss with your rifle not even moving once will promote FG.

I wish I had gotten at playing the weapon and gem upgrade system.
I played for the first time in over a year about 12 hours ago, and the server feels responsive.
The engine runs smooth, and the layout, and BGM are fitting os.

I really enjoy the layout of displayed ammo.
The percentage of shots hit is super cool.

I wouldn't mind seeing the gravity and fun mods placed back in the game, but I think R and IA have been dealt with fairly.
I don't use the modes, but I don't see why they were removed unless that was sacrificed for server upgrades as it does feel a lot smoother with the (reduced>?) new client

Revert please, but no [R] & [IA]?

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Originally Posted by Sunfire

When you "pay" someone to stream like FG does by giving them prizes, you do it so the so called "streamers" will promote your server. When you pay questers and Garden 32 player newgens that use mines and rocket launchers none from the competitive side is gonna join ur server and your server going to die because eventually these newgens are gonna realise how shit they are in this game and quit.

Right now these streamers only harm FG with their great gameplay. Tell me how sitting in a corner hitting a boss with your rifle not even moving once will promote FG.

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Doesn't matter, as long as there are no clear rules on what the admins think streamers should do and not do, everyone is free to stream, whether it is quest, training or clan wars.
If you really want only a competitive side of the game then they should enforce rules on streaming.

Complain about that instead of bashing on those that do stream quest (whether it is boring or they abuse a glitch), bash on the admins instead of the streamers.

xoxo


An example would be that you stream ARAM on league, that would be sort of equals as streaming quest on gunz (I know it is not really the same but it is a decent example).